nino
I for one thank you , as I intend to do the constitution again . this is going to come in very handy
steve5
Steve,
Be aware that the Anatomy of the Ship, Bluejacket, Model Shipways, and various other Rigging books may disagree with that posted plan. I bet you could spend a whole weekend comparing. That’s what they make Scotch for.
It is kinda nice in that the copy is a large file and easily read. Watch the note reference for P/S (Port/Starboard).
And take a look at one of my favorite FSM threads on Constitution rigging. I am still trying to learn all the terms and what it all means but that’s why I like it.
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/55130.aspx?sort=DESC
Nino.
Nino, tks for posting that. Your right in your statement of conflicting diagrams/instructions of belaying pins. I am going to add this as another reference source on my Connie build thread. I have both revell plans old/new, the BlueJacket plans and some other reference material and I noticed right off that the diagram you posted shows more pin and fife rails than any of my plans do. It still surprises me the numerous conflicts there are on how the Constitution and other ships were rigged, armed or painted.
One thing to keep in mind is Revell, monogram and other plastic model manufacturers were trying to use the “KISS” method as much as possible, so the models attracted more inexperienced builders. Dale
know what you mean nino , but it’s good to have a few different plans to compare , I have built about 6 of these 1/100 ships , and I am still trying to get to know all the terminoligy , and failing .
I’m an aussie , my poison is bundy rum . lol .
steve5
Gentlemen,
Also, be aware that rigging plans may have changed somewhat between each individual captain, given that they each had different ideas about how ships should be rigged or armed or trimmed, ad. infinitum. Considering this, and given that there is so little information available on the ship itself, any rigging plan becomes educated guess work. I would recommend that you stick with plans found in reliable references such as Jim posted rather than with the plans by Revell. As we all know, model companies never seem to get rigging plans correct.
Bill
I hope no one is looking at any of my ships thinking the rigging is correct. I’m lucky to get my shoes tied, but I do love to build ship models. Jim, the rigging plan is not going to help me because it just makes me nervous. I am very happy to get any rigging on, but thanks anyway.There are a bunch of real riggers like Steve5 who will use it.
Gene, correct or not there is not a thing wrong with your rigging skills. I hope my builds look as good.
Dale, my rigging skills are nearly non existant but I can still build. Here are some new ones I just took. What an easy ship to build. I did make aa mistake on the rear deck as it does just barely let the rigging by it. I had to sand the port side down a hair.
The masts are just setting in the holes.
Here are more.
Gene, when you run out of room and your going too soon unless you do build another hobby room or take over the wifes areas (not happening ) then I would be proud to display the overflow at my house 
The oops must of been an easy fix, it looks great
Gene,
Awesome building skills as always! I really love the scratch built roundhouse. I have this kit in the stash; however, the hull you have for this kit is different than the hull I have. Your’s looks exactly like the USS Constitution’s hull whereas mine is a single hull, with gun carriages built in on the gun deck. There are actually two decks with my kit.
After comparing my United States with Monogram’s smaller kit, it looks like Imai/Monogram just scaled up their kit and called it done. Although, it looks like they might have caught some flak for it and just reissued the Constitution as the USS United States. There were photos on thread I posted a couple of years ago were on Photobucket…
Steve
Gene,
Once again, I am in awe! The United States is beautiful!
Bill
Steve, this is the Imai/ Monogram United States. It is really just the Constitution with a different name. I have both kits & they are the old Imai Connie. Your kit is the Monogram 1/150 kit isn’t it.
Everything in this kit, even being molded by Monogram over Imai fits perfectly. I have built other Imai or Imai/ Ertl kits & they are all beautiful to build. I am too old to hand rig shrouds anymore & I have made my shrouds for most of my other kits on Airfix’s rig. On this one I am going to cheat & use the kit shrouds because they reallyl look good. I am going to put the kit sails on too. I have the sails all painted & the spars cleaned & painted . I will sew the sails on & they have looked great on a lot of my other ships.
Gene,
I am intrigued by that deck house you built on the round house. I have never noticed it depicted in any artwork of the ship. What gave you he idea to do so? It looks great!
Bill
Bill, look on Scaledecks add on ebay, they have a bunch of pictures of it. It probably isn’t right but it looks good. I built this one from memory & it was way too tall. I cut it down & crushed it twice. Then I had to rebuild it & would have been way better off building a new one. I will do that anyway because this one is rough now.
For anyone building the deck, set it in enough to clear the shrouds. Mine will have a slight bulge in the shroud, but the life boat will hide it .About 1/16 or so on each side. Check it tho.I have the Imai/ Monogram Constitution too & will build it later. I was really facinated with the Scaledecks add for their United States 1/96 deck & was disapointed when it wasn’t in the Imai/ Monogram kit.
Gene,
One of the most interesting facts surrounding the USS United States is that there are so few known facts extant. We know of the roundhouse but not its appearance, We know that it existed at least into the mid to late 1840s. Paintings show one level to the quarter galleries, but there are a few that indicate that there might have been two. This gives significant artistic license to the modeler, and you are doing a great job! I had never seen that deck house, so I am intrigued by your depiction. Well done!
Bill
Bill , one other thing you have to do with the rear deck is cut the rear "spanker " sail down to fit over the deck & skylite house. I did that this morning. I just cut the lower boom short & drilled a heavy wire in & drilled thru the post & mast.
Steve,
I was copying my List of Sailing Ship kits to send to a couple of friends when I read your post. Perfect timing. I have some info courtesy of several old but never forgotten Forum members and from some great threads regarding USF United States and Constitution. I believe Gene has the Monogram 1/120 kit. The kit you mentioned would be the Monogram 1 piece hull 1/150(1/240).
(I expect formating of the List will be changed when I post this. Sorry for that.)
The United States Kits:
United States 1/96 (1/108) Revell includes raised quarterdeck
(Constitution mould)
United States 1/120 (1/150) MonoGram (IMAI Constitution mould)
29” No raised Quarter deck
United States 1/225 (1/240) Monogram #3502, 1 piece hull
No raised quarter deck (issued as Constitution)
United States 1/150 (1/240) Revell #05406.40.8mm
(Monogram mould) 1 Piece Hull. (issued as Constitution)
The Constitution Kits:
Constitution 1/96 (1/108) Revell 36” Kits H-391, H-398,
(United States) (1812 ver.?)
Constitution 1/120 (1/150) IMAI 29” (19 ¼”Hull )
Constitution 1/120 (1/150) Monogram 29", 19¼” Hull.(IMAI Moulds) (United States) Listed as 30" on kit #3705
Constitution No scale (1/159) Revell 22", (17” hull).
Simplified Build, 2 piece hull.
Kits #5600 , H-357 , H-372 (1930’s ver?)
Constitution 1/146 (1/212) Revell kit 05472 43.5cm/17.1”,
Actual: 15 ¾" from bowsprit to stern.
17.1” Bowsprit tip to Driver boom end.
Hull part measures 11 ¾”. (1830’s or 1930’s version)
Constitution 1/196 (1/212) Revell Kit 85-5404 40.3cm
Actual: 15 ¾" from bowsprit to stern.
17.1” Bowsprit tip to Driver boom end.
Hull part measures 11 ¾”.(1830’s or 1930’s version)
Constitution 1/150 (1/240) Monogram kit #3501 16 3/16”, 41.12cm
1 piece Hull
Same Monogram kit Released as United States: Revell 1/150 (1/240) United States kit # 05406 Monogram 1/150 (1/240) United States kit # 3502
Constitution 1/260 Aurora
Constitution 1/250 Scientific wood kit. Bowspirit to driver boom tip 14.75"
Constitution 1/330 Mamoli, Mini wood 275mm x 190mm (10.8")
Constitution 1/384 (1/240ish) Ideal Toy 14” long
(actual: Hull 10", W/L 8.8")
Constitution 1/450 Pyro 5.75"
(Remade from wide hull/toy to proper scale width in re-issue)
Constitution 1/900?(small) Glencoe, ITC (3" long?) (could be 1/1200)
(sold with Gertrude L.theBaud or Southern Belle)
Constitution 1/1200 Superior metal (approx 2.85" long OA)
Plenty of kits but where is a 1/350?
Gene, I have an email on the way to you and Bill. I hope it is entertaining.
Nino
EDIT on 4/17/18 : Now that taxes are done I was able to add/correct a few details
OK Jim this is what I want you to build. IT is fun. It has taken me a month to get this far & I am sewing sails onto spars. I took these today as I just finished the standing rigging. I should have put them on before I did the standing rigging as the shrouds hold the masts straight when you use Imai/ Monogram plastic shrouds. They are really nice. & I think look good. My next pictures will be of the sails. I got them too white & had to darken them a little.
This kit will make a new builder fired up just building it out of the box with kit shrouds. Or an old guy too.
More pics.
Well this has been a fun build & I would sure reccomend this or any kit that has Imai on it. The Revell is bigger with a lot more neat detail, but way harder & larger to find a place to put it. I’m going to start hanging them from the ceiling I think.
By the way, you can blow these pictures up by hitting the center with your cursor, or what ever it is. Mouse?