Hello everyone! There are a few of us who wanted to build a late war '109, so I am organizing a GB for late-war 109s. Any scale, OOB or full aftermarket. Any scale allowed. My thought is a start date of 12/1/08 and running through 5/8/09 (V-E Day). Any variant from the Bf-109G-6 through the K-4. If you are interested, please stop on by the GB section, or send me a PM. Hoping a buch of of you are interested! [tup]
Here’s a link to the GB thread:
Bf-109: Reich Defender GB
In there like swim wear!
Great! I was really hoping you would Mike. [tup] I’ll put you on the list! [:D]
I’ll build at least one, two if I get lucky. I’ll also provide reference and tech support where needed. I may even throw in some some interesting info from time to time. Come on over guys, you can never have too many 109’s[:D].
My sentiments exactly. [;)] Glad to have you Stan! [^]
Howdy,
There goes my theory of focusing only on one build at a time Frank…!! Put me down fer a 1/48th Hasie G-10… OOB Baby[:P] What am I gettin myself into?!?!?
Flaps up,
Mike
Rangers Lead The Way
Frank I’m in. Fujimi G-6 with MSAP decals. Putting Eduard PE for the Hasegawa kit on the Fujimi. We’ll see how that works.
Hello Frank.
i will be in with a Me 109 G-14 from JG 26.
greets from over the pond
ThomaS
Great! I have you guys on the list. [tup]
tango35- what kit/scale is that?
Hello Frank,
it will be the Hasegawa Kit Scale 1:32.
The aircraft what i like to build was part of a flight on 27th 1944. The flight scrambled from Planteluenne Airfield, where the 3rd Group of JG 26 was stationed at that time.
It was a mixed flight of G-14s and K-4s, with most young and unexperienced pilots at the sticks and also very modern, but not really tested aircrafts. The flight came in to contact with allied fighters. The bad was that the deicing of the cockpit windowscreens didnt worked and so they had no chance to see in time the coming threat.
The whole story you can read in the war Diary of JG 26 Part 2 - if you need it i can send you a copy of this page.
The most sad part of it, is that this aircraft and a K-4 going and till now the pilots are not buried and still in their aircrafts.
greets from over the pond
Thomas
Thanks Thomas, I updated the list for you. [tup]
That stories’ beginning sounds like a recipe for disaster, which seemed often the case for the pilots in the Luftwaffe near war’s end. Thanks for sharing!
Frank,
the same group received some days before some K-4s with underwing gondolas due the jamming problems with the MK 108 3 cm cannon. Would also an interesting modeling project. For that i would use the reboxed Hasegawa Kit from Rog in the same scale.
greets from over the pond
Thomas
Tango if the 109’s had heavy fighter option (R-4) or after nov 44 (R-5) they were probably G-10’s. The only Rustzustand option known to have been used on the K-4 was the extended range fighter R-3 option. It’s listed in messerschmitt documents as the K-4 and K-6 were planed to be equipted with the heavy fighter option but no proof exist of this ever happening. We know the K-4 wing was not factory wired or plummed to accept the R-5 cannons. The WGr 21 rockets were never used on any K-4 or K-6. bad weather option has just recently been confirmed as being fitted to K-4’s after a pics were found in 2003. The K-4 was to be used as a pure fighter while the G-10 retained the old G wing and was used as both a fighter and bomber destroyer.
Hmmm I don’t see my name on it? [%-)] No Love… [V]
Aaron- I didn’t know you wanted me to add you. Sorry I missed it! Would you like me to add you to the list?
Your just adding me cuz mom said you gotta! [BH]
ROTFLMAO
Hey phoenix,
took some days to come back from manouever and scanning the pages from the War Diary of JG 26 by Caldwell; in which he speaks about the appearance of the K-4 with underwing gondolas.
greets from over the pond
Thomas
There’s no doubt in my mind that the pilots and even unit commanders may have thought or listed new aircraft as a K-4. This happens all the time. They couldn’t tell the difference. The G-10 and K-4 were introduced within a month of one another. To them a G-14/AS, G-10 and K-4 were all the same. This type of confussion it typical of late war reich.
Graff mechine is a perfect example of this. he has down in his log book as flying a “G” type 109. When in fact it’s a K-4. Hartmann said in his after action reports and logs as he flying a G-6. His wing man has him flying a G-14, Some location, date and work #. The wing man is right It was a G-14. schroer indcates he flying “high alitude” 109 (thought to be a G-14/AS). This is usually how AS power 109’s are listed. But look carefully at the pic of him standing along side his 109 and you can easily see 2 data plates. This means it can only be a G-10. this list goes on and on. You see the same confussion around the F-4 and G-2 change over.
When you examin the K-4 wing you will see that the mounting points don’t seem to be there. Second the gear door retractor hardware is somewhat in the way. From info we have most don’t believe the K-4 could ever be equipted as such. There is also no photos of a K-4/R5 and no documents that suggest messerschmitt built any. basically everthing we know about the K-4 indcates it was a pure fighter. The k-4 wings that have been found show they were not plummed for this. meaning that field fitting of this option would have been very difficult. Finally All pics of K-4/R5 have been proven to be G-10’s.
Messersschmitt (mitt reg) built 90% of the K-4’s. Erla did build a few (570 block). Almost nothing is know about these. There is a very very slim chance that a modified K-4 MAY have come from Erla as a R-5. But at this time not one shread of proof has been found.
Jg 26 late war commanders were Priller and the last Kommodore was Gotz fly the famous “yellow 13” I know 26 was on strength with a mixed bag of A-8’s but mostly D-9’s during and after operation Bodenplatte. The D-9 Black 10 which is also well known was also from Jg 26. III. JG 26 did operate K-4’s but from what I know the were used as defenders for the bomber buster A-8’s.
