Apology due?

Well, I would have posted this in the thread to which it belonged, but it got locked down…it’s not my intention to resurrect it here, only to apologize if it offended any military members here, many of whom I consider my friends, and hope still remain.

Anyway, after watching the post about Russia weave and dip in ways that were entirely unexpected and unintended, I have re-read it several times to try to understand where it went awry.

I woke up this morning, turned on the TV, saw images of tanks moving on the screen over the headlines, and posted my post. In retrospect, I can see where some may have misinterpreted it as a political screed; it was not intended as such.

Knowing that so many of our guys are over in Iraq, I was wondering if any reserves remained to counter what might have been a shrewd move by the Russian army to advance? I guess I worded it badly; I tried to clarify it, but perhaps did not succeed. I do not want to elicit responses to that question here in this post; just trying to clarify my misguided intentions.

Anyway, I want to apologize to anyone whom might have thought that I was making political statements–which I admit now that I see could have looked that way. I have tried to keep the political out of these forums as much as possible; this is my “safe haven” from that.

And as far as being “Off Topic” well, I can only say that, sincerely, I didn’t think it was at the time? Don’t know how else to put that–I would have been fine with the moderators moving or deleting it. I’m sorry if that aggravated some–again, not my intention. And yes, I know that this post is technically “off topic” as well; but this is the “scene of the crime”, so…sorry once again…

If anybody wants to rant at me, feel free–but lets not do it in public, and risk more divisiveness here in the community. PM me; I can take it.

Again, apologies to all who may have been offended. [B)]

OOps, I missed that one.

Well Doogster,

I’m sure that you will take away a lesson from this experience, one that I learned years ago on this board…just stay out of these threads. They end up going nowhere and are so far from the scope of modeling that they border on the ridiculous. You are a respected member certainly, and those of us who know you in cyberspace respect you brother.

regards,

Steve

Doog, Any of us could have done the same or likewise. I figured you were just trying inform us brothers in the armor section because we seem to be kind of a tight nitt group.

This is of course my opinion, but your other thread wasn’t completely off topic. It did have armor topics within, even if that isn’t how it originaly started. Most of us here are history buffs and we model history, do we not? Therefore, today’s event is history in the making. I thank you for pointing it out. I think this whole episode was way overblown. It wasn’t like you started a “Favorite food” thread or something completely OT. I do and will continue to respect you within the forums Doog, so don’t let the earlier posts get you down.

I don’t think the thread was out of line at all. The Russians moving into Georgian territory in force is a major event and should be discussed, here and elsewhere. Much as I don’t agree with a great deal of what I read, I still read it so that I know what is going on and how other people see a topic. That said, I didn’t see you post as taking a stance for or against, just as an informative post.

Besides, it does deal with armor…[#toast]

I really do not think so.What you posted was much more relevant to this discussion group than the thread regarding your recent European tour.Your European tour thread did not get locked or deleted.Not quite sure I undestand the standards,but then I was a Marine Grunt.As an after thought,you can’t be responsible for the direction the thread takes.

[#ditto]

Great point!

I tried to move the thread over to Odd’ n End’s but it met with the same results.

I’m not sure why this topic is so much more TOXIC than so many of the other topics here but it is.

doog, you’re golden, bro! As a matter of fact, your post was the first word that we got about the situation in Georgia while we were here on the waterfront. We don’t have a radio or TV so when I saw your thread we all found out here together. Thanks!

The only thing that concerned some of the guys was that they weren’t sure which Georgia (state or country) was being attacked. We are working in King’s Bay, Georgia right now.

A good percentage of us are veterans and we have a sizable group of active duty Navy guys here, too. Nobody was offended.

No offense taken here…Quite often, topics discussed in here center more on the military than the modeling…this isn’t always bad, IMO…

Get any group of guys together who collectively enjoy a hobby and conversations will drift, some topics will always be more relevant to some than to others…As a military modeler, I tend to enjoy the historical aspect of the hobby as much as the modeling…

To all my good friends here

I too apologize for some comments I made, especially the personal one. Karl and I are trading emails and hopefully like a family argument this too will pass.

I consider you all my friends but if you feel I have wronged you, let me know if I have and I will move on.

As I told Karl in me email to him we are all in this hobby to have fun. I enjoy some of the off topic discussion (yes, especially yours Manny). I took some thing in Karl’s opening statments the wrong way and he has explaned them to me in his email. I accept his explaination.

I have explain this because I wore the uniform for as long as I did, I still bleed green and it gets me upset at some issues quickly.

My comments, in the way I put them, did not belong, as much as I felt Karl’s opening comment didn’t.

If you feel I have produced some un-repairable harm, please let me know and I am willing to bow out of this forum for the good of the whole. God bless all of you and our country

End of Mission!

Redleg, you better not go anywhere!!! Don’t make me call down a fire-mission…lol…

Doog no need to apologize. I think you were just trying to keep your friends here up to date on some important current events. I would like to apologize myself for getting a little heated in the odds and ends. My daughter is training as a 91W(medic) so the involvement issue is a little touchy with me. Proud as hell and scared to death.

And Redleg some of the best fights I’ve been in have been with friends and were still friends.

No. We won’t let you out that easy Redleg. LOL [;)] Just like good old Rodney King said, “Can’t we all just get along?”

Thank you, all who have responded here.

While I greatly appreciate the support, I do not want to turn this thread into a “support for me!” thread, so I will reserve myself to this one comment, and put the matter to rest.

As redleg12 stated, I have spoken via email to him, and I feel safe in saying that I believe that we came to the understanding that what had occurred was primarily a breakdown in communication, with emotions running high further clouding some people’s judgment. I’m not trying to speak for everyone, and as always, I remain open to PM’s/emails telling me differently.

Suffice to say that, at least with redleg12 and I, all’s well that ends well. Never would I dream to see him or anyone else for that matter leave this site on my account–I’d rather leave first. You guys are honestly some of my closest friends–it ain’t easy acquiring them in my line of business, believe it or not–and I do deeply treasure my privelge of being able to interact with all of you here, and to retain your respect.

I hope that the matter is closed to the satisfaction of all parties, and I most humbly defer any further explanations on my part to your comments. Thanks guys…[:I]

[#ditto]

I skimmed through the original thread, and did sort of wonder if you were making a comment on political matters. I agree with Ted in that it was at least relevant to our merry little band of cyber brothers. [;)]

Doog, having been to see the elephant I can truthfully say I despise war, but love the warrior. Recent events in Georgia, while miles away and not involving our people(yet?), sadden me as I can only think of the soldiers involved.

Enough, this too shall pass…

Gentleman (you too Manny)

I too thank you for your support. Karl has already explained for both of us. I don’t want and I don’t think Karl wants this thrad to go on forever.

Today is a new day…enough already…lets go have fun…time to build a model

I ask, as I think Karl is asking, let this thread die and let this all fade away. If you need to get either of us, PM us and don’t add to this thread.

I’ll stay on this push for now

To the faimly of modelers here on this forum, thank you. To all my brothers and sisters in uniform, God Bless

Battery Laid and Safe…Ready to Fire!!!

As far as I am concerned as a modeller, I was only looking at tanks which could be just another reference to my build in the future. As a political statement I do not think it was your purpose in the first place to put the infos out for that but to share exciting photos of tanks on the move. I do not think this is the proper venue for that. Thanks to the doog!

I still don’t see where the thread went wrong and required a locking. It just seems to me like a premature Friday afternoon locking before the moderators go home for the weekend. But what do I know, I’ve always had a problem with authority. [}:)]

I don’t feel anyone needs to say sorry, and especially not leave…

Alright, everybody hold hands and sing with me…

“Kumbaya”

[:P]