Hi all…I’m an airplanes builder but i love same camo i’ve seen on tanks .The question is:do you know if exist same photos in which we can see a late Jagdpanther in Ambush camo???Can you help me ??Thanks Enrico.
[:S] sorry, only one found … and I’m storing enough publications printed with photos of Jagdpanther.
The standard camouflage scheme seemed to be for the most of those tank destroyers / hunting tanks JAGDPANTHER “sandgelb” overall or the classic “Dreifarbtonanstrich” three-tone-camouflage existing in “Sandgelb, Schokoladenbraun und Olivgrün” (German tank-yellow, tank-brown and tank-green).
I found one profile “aufgelockerter Dreifarbtonanstrich” ( i.e. ambush camouflage) in: Wise, Terence “D-Day to Berlin”, Arms & Armour Press Ltd., London, 1979 on page 77 subtitled: “Jagdpanther Ausf. G in France towards the end of 1944, painted in the ambush scheme but in this case with the oliv grun and rot brun patches sprayed on. The national identification symbol isthe only insignia carried”. Unfortunately no original-photos is printed !
This JAGDPANTHER must be part of “schwere Panzerjägerabteilung 654”, probably 2nd coy with a total of 12 tanks.
However, after done a cross-check concerning all photos of those JAGDPANTHER printed in Jean Restayn’s “Les Panzer en Normandie” Militaria Magazine No.1, Paris, 1991, don’t show any ambush camouflage.
So my solution will be: there wasn’t any ambush camouflage painted or sprayed on JAGDPANTHERs.
All informations to the best of my knowledge and in accordance to my publications.
Not really finding anything. I don’t know if it were relevant to the Jagdpanther. I mostly see them in a striped pattern. It can be done if you choose. Look for Panthers or King Tigers.
During the closing months of the war, who knows? If you want to go with an ambush camo pattern, why not? Bet it would look stunning.
Ambush pattern (what modellers call it at least) was used only during a narrow time period (Sept-Nov '44), was a factory applied scheme, and had already been replaced with the hard-edged three-tone schemes during the final months of the war, so a JP sporting an end-of-war scheme would have something other than the ambush pattern. From an artistic point of view the “anything goes” approach to end-of-the-war scenarios is one thing, but it doesn’t fly from an accuracy standpoint. [;)] Still I agree that a JP done up in an ambush pattern would probably look pretty cool…it’s just not something that was commonly seen on this particular vehicle and that’s what the original poster was after with his question. [B]
I took the question as a Late version of the Jagdpanther, which I’m not sure when it entered combat.
I figure its his kit, his paint, his time. Nothing wrong with a “what if” scenario. This is supposed to be fun, not a semester exam in History.
Eric, the term “late” means different things to different people but the kit that DML for example has chosen to produce and label as a “late” has features that cover roughly the period of Sept-Dec '44 production on the JP. I’m not sure if Tamiya also has a “late” JP available as a kit or what its features are.
In the case of the DML kit, it falls in the range of time when the “ambush” scheme was in use so it’s not out of the realm of possibility, just not commonly photographed, for “late” JPs to have been painted with the ambush scheme, it just depends on the definition of “late” [;)]. As you pointed out, the overwhelming number of photos of JPs tend to show them in a variation of the striped pattern theme. [B]
Mike, nothing at all wrong with a what-if scenario…I’ve seen and built my share of them and they definitely add a dimension to the hobby that interests many. Plenty of room in the hobby in my view for both artistry and accuracy to coexist peacefully. [;)]
Ok …I’ve the old Revell kit (an old dragon!!!).According to your suggestion I think to change camo scheme…Effectively I prefer to consider an armour or a plane seen in a photo…Thanks for the informations and for support…Excuse me for my bad english…!!!Enrico.
Wish I spoke Italian as well as you speak English.
… it’s the same discussion, quote: “but it doesn’t fly from an accuracy standpoint” unquote, I am hearing concerning medivial reenactments - I’m also engaged.
As stated above, the decision will be, assembling a realistic model or instead of any historical validation a funny tank-model.
So you should make up your mind what you will prefer, historical or not. There is nothing possible between both points of view. Otherwise you may create paper-tanks …
So your decision to give up an ambush camo will be the best.
Melchior … and everybody apologize any inconvenience caused by my answers and “English”
(sometimes mercenary as of 1486 from the Peasants’ War)