Hey, I’ve recently returned to model building after a ten year leave of absence, and was I ever pleased to find the huge different having the internet makes, so much access to so many different tools. Anyway, I’ve spent some time surfing around and looking at what people are up to and I just wanted to say that I’ve seen something on some otherwise increadible kits- Ailerons, the outboourd control surfaces on the wings- control roll, if one goes down the other side goes up, I’m talking the majority of aircraft, get into something like an F-18 with more complex control systems and the ailerons are combines with the flaps, so they would both drop together. Lots of you probably know this, but I just hate seeing such easily avoidable errors on otherwise stunning planes. Thanks for reading.
It’s a point that many would not realize! Todays aircraft systems go so far beyond the most basic principles of aerodynamics with the use of computers. Without them many of the functions on newer aircraft could not be attained. By the way welcome to the forums. You will find many knowledgeable folks here who make this an interesting hobby and a great forum to exchange knowledge such as yours, to help build a more realistic project. Thank you for sharing. semper fi, mike
Aircraft? Ailerons? What the??
Oh Geesh! You mean this isn’t the Martha Stewart Living forum? [:D]
Welcome back to modeling - and welcome to the forum(s)
it’s weird, you model guys are all so supportive, I started back into the models 'cause I needed a hobby, I’m a bass player but had to spend the summer working in a small town without much of a music scene and not enough time to get into it anyway, so I went down to the hobby shop and picked up a spitfire. Musicians are so ready to rip eachother apart and say how much somebody elses band sucks, you guys are all about “great job, nice weathering” and “welcome to the forum”… interesting… Someday I’ll figure out how to put pictures of my efforts on here so you guys can lie if it sucks.
So what you’re really saying is your band sucked? [swg]
You must play guitar? :~)
Drums
too funny.
[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][#welcome]
You are both right and wrong here. The ailerons and flaps are combined on newer aircrafts, but that doesn’t mean they both drop together, you said it you self they are also ailerons, so they can also move like ailerons (one going up one going down ) On the F-16 when the pilot selects the landing gear down, the flaperons, as they are called, both go down like flaps, but if the pilot then gives the aircraft a roll command, one flaperon will go a bit up again, the aircraft knows that it is in a landing configuration and will there for limit the movement of the control surface.
Sorry if im going a bit overboard on the technical stuff, but this is my field. Im an aircraft mechanic and I work on F-16s.
Its good to see that you care about other modelers and want to help them avoid any errors.
…and then, of course, some aircraft when parked for prolonged periods suffer from aileron droop as the hydraulic pressure ebbs away. 'Tis said that a Phantom that does not have puddles of fluid on the ground underneath it is empty!!
So many things to think about when planning a model…
Interesting discussion…
Flaperons were in use long before the modern computer driven wonders of today, on STOL aircraft, such as the Fiesler Storch, AN-2, Maule, and Wilga, to name a few. As Thomas said, the roll aerodynamics are the same except they’re in a deflected state. Spoilers also make an affective means of roll control, freeing up a dedicated full trailing edge flap, and also a means of killing lift when both sides are extended, reminiscent of sailplane operation.
Back in the day, when I logged time regularly in a J-3, I’d get it flying straight and level on a calm day, and have the front seater stick his right arm out of the open door, slightly palm up, and watch how the Cub would eventually go into a gentle right turn because of the resulting wind deflection. Rudder deflection could also be used to initiate roll, although not nearly as responsive, it would suffice in a pinch if you practiced staying on top of it. (too much rudder and the turn would get too steep, then when you initiated opposite rudder to correct it, the horizon might start doing funny things) [:o]
Thanks for the post, ‘toomany’
Take care,
Frank
A Phantom with puddles underneath it is…broken. [:D]
Slurps, welcome back to the hobby.
F-16s do the same thing, well exept for the puddle of fluid. The weight of the flaperon slowly forces the fluid out of the ISA ( Integrated Servo Actuator ).
Same used to be said about Harley-Davidsons!!!
If there ain’t no oil on the garage floor? You better put some in it!!! [:O]
Randie [C):-)]
I guess people like us could go on for hours about this, and lose 90 % of the readers along the way. [;)]
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[tup][;)]
Frank
What do you call a guy that hangs around with musicians?
A Drummer!
Q: What is the difference between a guitarist and a Savings Bond?
A: Eventually a Savings Bond will mature and earn money!
The only fluids I ever saw under a Phantom is mechanics blood!